Poll: What is your biggest barrier to content optimization?
Time and resources required – 45.4%
Knowing where to start – 19.54%
Getting executive buy-in/budget – 18.97%
Technical expertise needed – 16.09%
Content discovery has become increasingly complex. Marketing teams are now responsible for ensuring content can be found by users not just on their own websites, but also in AI-powered search environments like ChatGPT and Perplexity. Watch this webinar to learn how you can make your content discoverable across all search channels, efficiently.
Video: Content Without Clicks: Discovery Shift. Captions and transcript available on playback.
Explores how AI is reshaping content discovery, why SEO alone isn’t enough, and how teams can optimise content for both humans and AI without scaling resources.
Lorna Hegarty:
Good morning everyone, and thank you so much for joining today’s webinar, Content Without Clicks, during which we’re going to be talking all about how you can make your content discoverable wherever your audiences are.
This is a super topical issue right now for anyone in the marketing and digital content space. I’m sure we’re all wondering how we can do this. And so, thank you for joining us — it’s really evident just how topical it is in the number of people that we have here today.
So thank you again for taking the time. I hope you get some great tips and advice from our expert speakers that we’ve got with us today.
On that note, I’ll just introduce you quickly to your hosts today. I’m Lorna Hegarty, I’m the Content and Comms Director here at Squiz. And all the challenges we’re going to be talking about today are really very familiar — these are all the things that me and my team are contending with. So I’ll be here just to share some of how we’re starting to tackle them.
I’m joined by the amazing Toby Margarets, a Digital Consulting Director at Squiz, who’s working closely with a number of customers all the time to help them understand and overcome their digital challenges. And this topic, I can imagine Toby, is right at the top of the list of those discussions at the moment.
And last but not least, we have our special guest today, who is Brian Gibson. Brian joins us from a digital marketing agency and analytics platform Digivizer, where he’s Head of Digital Strategy. Now Brian’s really deeply in the trenches of all of this and heavily involved in understanding what the space looks like in terms of both how we can create the best content for SEO and the new emerging AI platforms.
So thank you Toby and Brian for being here with me today.
Toby Margarets / Brian Gibson:
Thanks for having me. Pleasure.
Lorna Hegarty:
Just some quick housekeeping before we get into the content. We are recording, so we’ll be sending you the link in follow-up. You can revisit it at any time.
If you have any questions, please do just pop them in the Q&A box at the bottom of the screen. We will hopefully have some time at the end to visit those. Anything that we don’t get to during the session today, we will follow up with in writing as part of our follow-up comms, so keep an eye out for that as well.
And if you have any tech issues or anything that you want to raise with the panelists today, please do just pop that in the chat. We’ll keep an eye on that and address anything there.
For anyone who is new here and not familiar with Squiz, here’s a quick intro to who we are and what we do.
We are an AI-powered digital experience platform. We’ve been around since 1998, so we’ve been here a little while, and we now have offices all around the world.
Our mission really is to make it easy for marketers to build, optimise, and manage digital experiences, which also then frees up developers to innovate.
We see the challenges that marketing and digital teams are facing at the moment when it comes to content discoverability. Ultimately, we know that ensuring your audiences can find your information wherever they’re searching is the number one priority.
So that’s exactly why we’re here, and why we’re making sure that we’re supporting our customers on this journey with the tools and team that we have.
Lorna Hegarty:
So we thought it’d be good to kick off with a big stat here that really brings home what we’re talking about today.
90% of the pages that ChatGPT cites actually rank outside of Google’s top 20 results.
So what does that mean? Well, really this proves that traditional SEO success doesn’t actually equate to AI search visibility. You will see lots of people saying if you can just do SEO really well, that will help with your visibility across AI search platforms as well. But the reality is that you could rank number one on Google and still be completely invisible to ChatGPT users.
So the two channels are using different ranking signals, and optimising for one doesn’t actually guarantee performance in the other. How you fill that gap is exactly what we’re going to be talking about today — and how you can ensure visibility across both channels and understand the performance of your content in them as well.
Lorna Hegarty:
So how are we going to do that? There are five key things we’re going to be covering today.
The first is the new content discovery landscape. Then we’ll look at modern content quality considerations, what you can be doing to develop better content. What your optimisation choices are right now — SEO, GEO, all the buzzwords.
We’ll also cover how to be discoverable without a massive team, and finally how you can measure your success going forward.
And without further ado, I’ll hand over to Toby.
Toby Margarets:
Nice one. Thank you very much, Lorna. And hi everybody — great to have you with us today.
We are undoubtedly going through a pretty major shift in how people discover content and get answers to their questions. If you’re anything like me, you’ve probably spent the last six months deep in ChatGPT and Copilot and being increasingly impressed with how powerful they are.
Nearly 60% of all Google searches now end without a click. That’s huge. Users are getting answers directly in search and leaving.
We’re also seeing that users coming from AI search are around 4.4 times more likely to convert. And AI search is predicted to surpass traditional search by 2028 — although, Brian, you’ve got thoughts on that.
Brian Gibson:
Yeah, absolutely. With Google rolling out AI mode, I think that shift will happen much sooner — potentially even by the end of next year.
Toby Margarets:
Yeah, couldn’t agree more.
So the customer journey is changing. Users arrive on your site much further along in their journey, meaning they’re more ready to convert.
That creates two opportunities — making sure your content feeds AI correctly, and ensuring your site converts those users effectively.
Lorna Hegarty:
Absolutely. And this is where the complexity comes in. Content teams are juggling SEO, GEO, readability, UX, analytics, accessibility — all while maintaining trust and authority.
There’s a perception you need a huge team, but that’s not necessarily true.
One of the ways we’re tackling this is through structured prompting — the five-tier cake model: foundation, framework, customisation, refinement, and human validation.
And crucially, we ask AI what questions it has before generating content.
Brian Gibson:
From an optimisation perspective, it’s about balancing SEO and GEO — what we call dual search optimisation.
You need both. SEO for traditional search, GEO for AI.
And that requires structured content — headings, plain language, schema. Schema is essentially telling crawlers exactly what your content means.
Lorna Hegarty:
We then moved into a poll around challenges — and unsurprisingly, time and resources came out on top.
Toby Margarets:
Yeah, and that’s what we see everywhere.
Most organisations don’t have spare teams sitting around. Especially universities and governments — they’ve got thousands of pages and limited resource.
So we recommend three things:
Use tools, take a “thin slice” approach, and make optimisation ongoing.
Don’t try to fix everything at once — focus on one high-impact area and iterate.
Lorna Hegarty:
Exactly. Tools like analytics, accessibility auditors, and content auditing tools help identify where to focus.
And one of the most effective approaches is implementing AI search on your own site — so you can test how your content performs in an LLM environment.
Toby Margarets:
Yes — and importantly, you control the content being used. You can test real user questions, identify gaps, and improve iteratively.
The key is not boiling the ocean — focus on one content slice, measure impact, then expand.
Brian Gibson:
And once you’ve done all that, you need to measure it.
Use tools like Semrush, analytics platforms, and even AI itself — ask ChatGPT or Perplexity what it knows about your brand.
If you’re not showing up, that’s your roadmap.
Toby Margarets:
And finally — ROI matters.
This isn’t about shiny tech. It’s about outcomes:
We’re consistently seeing higher conversion rates from AI-driven journeys.
Q&A (Selected)
Audience Question: How do you find real user questions?
Toby Margarets:
Look at analytics — search queries, failed searches. Also use AI to generate likely questions, but always validate them.
Audience Question: How do you know content is AI-ready?
Brian Gibson:
Ask the AI. Seriously — it will tell you what it understands and what’s missing.
Lorna Hegarty (Closing):
Thank you so much to everyone who has joined us today. It’s been a fast-paced session — we could have spent hours on this.
If you have more questions, connect with us on LinkedIn. And keep an eye out for future webinars.
Thanks again everyone.
Time and resources required – 45.4%
Knowing where to start – 19.54%
Getting executive buy-in/budget – 18.97%
Technical expertise needed – 16.09%
In practice, having a proper content structure means:
Crawlers don't look at visual elements on your page, they're reading the code behind it. So even if your content looks clear visually, if the underlying structure isn't there, AI won't understand it properly.
Machine-readable structure primarily refers to schema markup, i.e. structured data that helps make your content less confusing to AI crawlers.
Here's a practical example: Imagine you have a picture showing someone holding a microphone at a concert. Humans might recognize the band and venue, but a crawler won't know that from an image alone. Schema markup explicitly identifies the content type (event type: concert, performer, venue details) to remove that ambiguity.
Not necessarily. While LLMs do tend to prefer FAQ structures, you don't need to force all your content into question-format headings just to be AI-ready.
Machine-readability is more about the underlying code structure than the visible heading format. This means:
Well-structured content with answer-statement headings (like "How to apply" or "Application process") can still be AI-ready if the underlying structure and markup are solid. The format matters less than ensuring your content clearly addresses user questions and is properly structured.
This is something our content auditing tools will address in the future. They'll help you identify where your content needs optimization to be AI-ready, rather than forcing all your content into FAQ formats.
While there isn't a single unified standard across all AI platforms, the principles discussed in the webinar apply broadly across major players. The key is that well-structured, machine-readable content performs better across all AI systems, whether that’s Google AI Overviews, ChatGPT, Perplexity, or other LLMs.
The best standards, while not specific to AI, are still schema.org and JSON-LD. If you use those standards, most AI models will read them best.
Choose schema types that match the purpose of your content. For example:
Where multiple schema types apply, you can nest or combine them - for example, a Service page might also include Organization and BreadcrumbList markup. The goal is to make each page's intent clear to AI systems and search engines, so they can identify you as the authoritative source on that topic.
How to test if you've got it right: Prompt an LLM to explain your page back to you and see how accurate the response is. If it's not as accurate as you'd like, improve the schema markup.
Here’s an example prompt you could use: "Act as an SEO and structured data specialist. Review the schema markup on [link to your website]. Identify what schema types are currently in use, whether they are valid and aligned with Google’s Rich Results guidelines, and where improvements can be made. Recommend additional schema types that would strengthen entity recognition, Answer Engine Optimisation (AEO), and visibility in AI-powered search. Suggest concrete changes (e.g. adding Organization, Service, FAQ, Article, BreadcrumbList) and explain why each matters for discoverability and performance. Highlight risks of over- or mis-use of schema. Present your findings as: Current State, Gaps, Recommendations, and Next Actions."
When it comes to your own website's search experience, PDFs will work well, as Squiz Conversational Search will soon be able to handle unstructured data like PDFs effectively. However, for broader AI discoverability across external platforms like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Google AI Overviews, HTML web pages are preferred because they allow for proper semantic structure, schema markup, and accessibility features that these AI systems rely on.
If discoverability across the broader AI ecosystem is important for that content, consider publishing it as a web page in addition to (or instead of) a PDF.
Starting from scratch isn't realistic for most teams, and honestly not necessary. We recommend starting with just a "slice" of your website: choose a high-impact content area and optimize that first, rather than tackling your entire website at once.
Look for content areas that are important to your audience but lower-risk to experiment with. Think of areas like student life content, community resources, or general information pages, i.e. valuable content that supports your goals without being your most critical conversion pages. The goal is to start somewhere that will deliver value without putting high-stakes pages at risk while you're learning.
This approach works because:
When you're starting out, the sweet spot is content that's high-value but low-risk, i.e. meaningful to your audience without being business-critical. This gives you space to learn and refine your approach before tackling your most important pages.
Take student life content at a university as an example. It includes information about accommodation, clubs and societies, health services, and general facilities – all important to prospective and current students. But unlike admissions or scholarship pages, if something doesn't work perfectly during optimization, it won't stop students from applying or enrolling. That makes it ideal for testing and learning.
The same logic applies across industries. Look for content areas that:
Use your analytics and content audit tools to identify these areas, but also consider what's manageable for your team to tackle as a first project.
This is a challenge that we see time and time again – for organizations of this size, trying to optimize everything at once is overwhelming and not realistic.
We would suggest:
1. Use auditing tools to get a comprehensive view of where problems exist across your content. A good auditor will not just flag the issues, but also give you the right information to help you prioritize fixes:
This gives you a scalable way to assess content quality across large volumes without manual review.
2. Use the slice approach
Don't try to fix everything at once. Focus on one high-impact content area or user journey, optimize that, measure results, then move to the next slice. This makes the work manageable, gives you concrete data on effort required, and lets you scale based on what you learn from the first slice.
The key is to use tools to identify priority areas, start with one slice, and build your optimization approach iteratively rather than trying to tackle everything upfront.
The shift is from optimizing for keywords to optimizing for questions and answers. Focus on the questions your audience is actually asking in your search analytics, and ensure your content provides clear, well-structured answers that AI can easily interpret and cite, using the principles we've discussed above around structure, clarity, and machine-readability.
Testing is key. The best way to know if your content is AI-ready is to test it against actual AI models with real user questions. For Squiz customers, we're developing auditing tools that simulate how AI search will use your content to answer common FAQs, pinpointing exactly which fragments in your content need to be optimized. You can test, learn, optimize, and repeat until you're happy with the answers that are surfaced. By testing against an actual AI model (in our case, Anthropic Claude), the improvements in content quality will help you perform better across other AI platforms as well, whether it’s ChatGPT, Perplexity, or Gemini.
The best source for real user questions is your own search analytics. We recommend looking at what users are actually searching for on your site - these queries tell you exactly what questions matter to your audience.
If you have conversational search implemented (like Squiz Conversational Search), your admins will also have access to conversation history showing the actual questions users are asking in natural language. This gives you invaluable insight into how people phrase their questions, what information they're looking for, and where gaps might exist in your content.
We recommend that you start with your existing search data, identify the most common queries and questions, and use those as the basis for your content audit. This ensures you're optimizing for questions that real users are actually asking, not just what you think they might ask.
It's less about changing the content itself and more about considering the user journey as a whole.
Because users are arriving on your site more informed and ready to take action, your content should have clear pathways for these highly qualified leads to get directly to what they're trying to do. Of course, your content still needs to work well for humans - i.e. it needs to be clear, helpful, and accurate - but the focus shifts to making it easy for informed visitors to take the next step.
You're in a great position! Starting from scratch means you can build with dual search in mind from day one, without needing to audit and fix existing content.
Here’s what we recommend:
Most importantly, we want to emphasize that you should treat this as an ongoing experiment, not a one-off build. The way AI systems surface and summarize content is evolving fast, so make testing part of your routine. Regularly prompt tools like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Gemini to describe your site or specific pages back to you, and see if they capture your intended message. If they don’t, refine your structure, language, or schema. Think of it as training both humans and machines to understand your brand the way you want them to.
Full question: As we learn more about how AI prioritizes its sources (e.g., ranking Reddit highly), and with evidence showing that AI ranks what people say about you higher than your own content, how should we account for that in our content organization? This is particularly concerning from a government perspective, where ensuring accurate information reaches the public is critical.
LLMs tend to give more weight to official, trustworthy sources, especially for things like government information, legal content, or policy guidelines. However, as you’ve noticed, it’s not quite as simple as that. LLMs don’t just rank content by credibility; they look at context, intent, and consensus.
If someone asks a factual question like “What’s the official guidance on X?”, the model will usually surface government or institutional sources. But if the question leans more toward opinion or interpretation, e.g. “What do people think about policy X?”, then discussions on Reddit, LinkedIn, or in the media can rise higher, because that’s where the broader public conversation lives. And to the model, that conversation equals relevance.
That being said, here are some of the steps you can take (beyond the machine-readability and schema markup we discussed in the webinar):
The key shift is that authority now comes from a combination of your own well-structured content plus credible mentions and citations across the ecosystem.
Full question: How can we compete to have our information prioritized by AI over other websites? I work in local government, and building construction rules are sometimes pulled by AI from a builder's website instead of ours, which can display incorrect information.
As mentioned in the previous question about government information, LLMs weigh both credibility and context - looking at where information is discussed and cited across the web, not just at official sources.
In addition to the content structure and schema principles covered in the webinar, there are specific steps you can take to establish yourself as the authoritative source:
You can also signal quality to AI platforms by ensuring fast page loads, HTTPS, and clean metadata.
Our slice approach at Squiz goes beyond just auditing and optimizing, and also involves setting up conversational search on your website. In our experience, this generally takes 6-8 weeks for the first slice – but it may be shorter or longer depending on the topic's scope and the current state of your content.
However, this is just the first slice when your team is still learning the process, so it should get quicker as you scale to additional content areas.
Yes, absolutely! The slice approach we've discussed is designed specifically for teams with resource constraints. You don't need to hire a large team to get started.
The key is strategic focus:
Many successful optimization projects are run by small, focused teams. The difference isn't team size, it's having a clear strategy and taking an iterative approach.
There's no silver bullet, but these strategies work:
The most effective approach combines all three: building capability, maintaining clear standards, and leveraging technology to make consistency easier to achieve.
Testing and measurement
No, the 90% statistic refers specifically to ChatGPT citations, not Google's AI summaries.
Google's AI Overviews typically pull from pages that are already ranking well in traditional search results. This is different from ChatGPT, which often cites pages outside Google's top 20 results.
Our Product team at Squiz are building comprehensive auditing tools that help in two key ways:
Together, this gives you visibility into any problems with your content so you know exactly what needs to be addressed.
The best way to validate your content is by testing it against actual AI models with real user questions.
For Squiz customers, we're developing auditing tools that simulate how AI search will use your content to answer common FAQs, pinpointing exactly which fragments in your content are performing well and which need further optimization. You can test, learn, optimize, and repeat until you're happy with the answers that are surfaced.
By testing against an actual AI model (in our case, Anthropic Claude), the improvements in content quality will help you perform better across other AI platforms as well, whether it’s ChatGPT, Perplexity, or Gemini.
The most direct way to measure this is through user satisfaction metrics. If you have conversational search implemented, you can track:
Beyond conversational search, you can look at:
While efficiency gains can be hard to quantify directly, user satisfaction scores and support ticket trends can give you tangible indicators that staff are finding information faster.
Full question: We have noticed that ChatGPT is not accessing some fairly important types of content pages on our site. We plan to add schema to these pages. If we do this, how soon should we start to see changes to how ChatGPT finds them?
The timing is uncertain and varies by platform. Unlike traditional search engines that crawl websites regularly, AI platforms such as ChatGPT are updated periodically with new web data but don’t publish specific schedules for those updates. As a result, any changes you make won’t be reflected immediately in AI-generated responses.
However, here is what you can do:
Because AI update cycles are unpredictable, investing in broad content quality and technical accuracy, rather than trying to optimize for a single platform’s timing, is the most sustainable approach.
Yes! You can check out our own implementation of Conversational Search on squiz.net – you can ask it anything about the Conversational Search feature.
If you’d like to see additional examples, please reach out to your account manager who can share relevant customer implementations with you. Alternatively, let us know at ask@squiz.net.
Full question: In terms of schemas/machine readable structure, does Squiz have any built-in structure that exports to AI industry standard/best practice to provide that context etc.? Or is that for us to create based on the likes of schema.org?
We don’t currently have a built-in structure that automatically exports to AI standards. This is something our content auditing tools will address in the future – they’ll help you identify where your content needs optimization to be AI-ready, rather than forcing all your content into FAQ formats.
In the meantime, for schema markup specifically, you’ll want to implement this based on your content types using standards like schema.org.
Squiz offers Conversational AI Search for your website, allowing users to ask questions in natural language and get answers drawn from your content.
We've learned a lot from implementing this on our own site and working through it with customers, and we've developed a 5-step framework that our consulting team uses to guide you through the process.
If you'd like to chat about how this could work for your site, reach out to your account manager or book a call with us.